-- a big yank, and I'm gonna take him around the space, and I'm going to throw him upstage. Its a different kind of invention. - The sunshine in - Hey, would you let the sunshine Just let the sunshine in - The sunshine in The sun Shine In -[ Breathing heavily ] -I just want to do the crane just one more time. If Bob Joffrey says you can do it, go for it. I think he saw that piece in the park, and he was curious, and he came actually to 104 Franklin, to a rehearsal there of Sues Leg. He said, Can I come and see? I said, Yeah, yeah, whatever. Well, theyre not bad. He has no idea how to read the map, doesnt know where youre going, certainly doesnt know whats under the hood, but he can tell you when youre there. You should get yourself just a static bike. When it comes to Twyla Tharps personal life, she is now unmarried. -You know, we have got some real issues here. But it was also very exciting for me because she wanted it to be unlike anything people had seen before. It depends on how you define a career. Twyla Tharp has dedicated a major part of her life to choreography where she had creativity and commitment to dances is evident. . Her work often uses classical music, jazz, and contemporary pop music. Hello out there. What are you going to do with this guy? The result of that period -- it should be fine to say that I broke down. And then when the curtain goes up, whack! Ad Choices. Highlights from the week in culture, every Saturday. We were doing work that, you know, fit into spaces that were not staged spaces. Films include Miles Davis: Birth of the Cool, N. Scott Momaday: Words from a Bear, Toni Morrison: The Pieces I Am, Sammy Davis, Jr.: Ive Gotta Be Me, Bombshell: The Hedy Lamarr Story, Itzhak, Norman Lear: Just Another Version of You, Maya Angelou: And Still I Rise and Garry Winogrand: All Things are Photographable. - A great big house with nothing in it He comes home, says, 'Now wait a minute' -I commissioned David Byrne to write the score. And you're working on -- I really appreciate it -- through your dinner hour, right? My brothers and sister did have teenage years. You know, I was worried about people getting injured. Do you feel that youre a new choreographer right now? I was playing a children's violin, small violin by the time I was 4. Painting has a commodity, sculpture has a commodity. I had happy hula lessons! You think that will be better? Free shipping for many products! There are huge expectations on the part of the audience as to what he should be doing for them. So, I said, 'Well, I can do that stuff. He needs to show her -There you are. By signing up, you agree to our User Agreement and Privacy Policy & Cookie Statement. I felt like we'd been building something, but obviously a future in dance at this point was out of the question. Let's get it on YouTube, and let's share it with people. If I need them to do it, I need to figure out how to make them want to do it, right? I do it to communicate. -Oh! The rent on this floor was 50 bucks a month. Twyla Tharp is a master dancer and choreographer. Since graduating from It doesnt move. Its one interpretation. How New York City Ballet Took On the Pandemic. . Make a little more work about leveraging him around the corner. Dance has suffered enormously. That is one of the problems for dance in our culture. 2023 Cond Nast. The documentary also features interviews with her family, friends and closest collaborators: the dancers, choreographers, directors and musicians shes worked with and influenced throughout her life, including Joel, Byrne, Copeland, Cornejo, Khoreva and more. You get more mileage from a cheap pair of sneakers Next phase, new wave, dance craze Anyways, it's still rock 'n' roll to me Alright, here we go! About three hours later, I have every single album he ever made. -Twyla TharpBorn Portland, Indiana, 1 July 1941.Award-winning dancer and choreographer for stage, film and television, Twyla Tharp has created over 135 dances in her career. I'm not sure that's a good enough entry point. In that era, many female artists were attached to male painters. Twyla Moves promises a rarified glimpse into the Clip | Tharp and Baryshnikovs totally unexpected collaboration. And so I had the advantage of having watched them work and talked to them about how I worked. At age 20, I started running budgets, and we ran the tours. But with the advent of the Internet and all these videos now, it would stand to reason that young people are much more fluent in the history of dance. I said, 'Yeah.' Immediately. As every artist has ever understood, who has any validity at all in the real world, humor counts, longevity counts, a determination to reach out to people counts. -I gave myself stuff to do that nobody else was doing. No, I get it. And I realized, Well, youre a pretty good choreographer, but youre not much of a director. So, listen, guys, this technology will make us crazy, but you know what? By the time I was 2 I was already being taken to a professional children's teacher. I would have fired me long before he did. In 1962 Tharp married Peter Young, a painter whom she had met at Pomona College. Where were the areas that were weak? The challenge here was that they were both great dancers, but obviously of totally different backgrounds. A dancer walks in with an understanding of their body. Those are very few. Whether it was dance or music or percussion or painting or elocution or German, in case we had another war with the Germans I should speak German, French because the ballet is in French. I had no problem with that part. Theyre good for stamina. Margery was a true lyric dancer. You really going to do that? And, step by step, I began to say, Well, O.K. Obviously, I will be supportive to that effort. It's going to be a reduction of the entire novel, less than three minutes, in which the Princess Irene is going to go into the underworld. The problem of getting a dancer to get exactly to the same point in their space that will read exactly the same area that the other one's coming in on so that they actually -- Not going to happen. In her book The Creative Habit, from 2003, she explains that she does not believe in multitasking; youre compromising your virtuosity, she writes. When I asked about the archives, you said, Forget women . I love that passage of your book where you say that you had to keep yourself from falling in love with Baryshnikov. I can only get on with what the thing is. That was a big gulp for me. Twyla is really opening the artistic freedom. -Twyla Tharp has transformed American dance as both a performer and choreographer. In 1966 she formed the company Twyla Tharp Dance. -This seems desirable, that for some reason we should all strive to attain. Do you feel that you're able to be intimate? So, now, Herman, let's talk about life for a moment here. What made your dialogue with Baryshnikov so vital and exciting to you? A dance will evolve, if the idea is good enough. Tharp reminds you to observe the world -- and get it down on paper. Do you think that the key to having a good collaborator is someone who works at the same level as you do? Now we were building dances that were going to be performed for paying audiences. Theres a part of your memoir where your partner at the time, the artist Bob Huot, told you, You love your work more than me. Was it the work that brought you back to the city? -In the same way that she was driving the dancers, she was driving me, kind of pushing me to raise the level of what I had done. I can tell by your highly developed calves and your lovely dance slippers that you're probably not following in Mom's footsteps, at least in those shoes. Huot and Tharp had one son, Jesse, born 1971. I started to run, but my knee is bad. What do you want from me? -Yeah, yeah, that's good. He said, 'Okay.'. Do you feel like your mother had workaholic tendencies? But I want to break free a little bit, you know? I had studied painting. [ Chuckles ] -I've just pulled him through the wall. We danced in parks. You dont get those natural endocrines pumping through you. ', 'Okay, fine, it'll be two companies working together.'. I know. I thought thats how everybody worked. And that's how the collaboration worked. Thats something. So when Joffrey came to me and said, Can you make a ballet? I said to myself, Yeah, I think I can make a ballet.. Its three voices in relation to one another. But soon Rose came up and then Sarah came because they didn't want to stop dancing any more than I did. It's probably my favorite scene. Hi, honey. I was working in New York. Has it helped your career? So the ones who are naturally gifted will do a certain kind of movement from a certain point of view to a certain point very well. It wasnt just that she named me Twyla. Michael Kantor is executive producer of American Masters. She changed the I to a Y because she thought it was better. I went downtown and found the street, but not the building. I mean, what do we got, a shape-shifter here? About The WNET Group I was a full-time career dancer since I was two years old. You'll take us all. Benjamin, meet Maria. And if they're 40 feet away, and then if they're a hundred yards down there, you got to do this.'. Dick worked around the clock. [ Computer chimes ] -Ah. In "Where's Your Pencil?" Here are all these people, they're having their lives, they're walking around, they don't have to buy tickets and sit down. Also, look, the reality, and everybody knows it, is that women will work differently as a consortium than when it is with men. Can this be?'. Okay. We were touring 150 shows a year over the world. For its latest subject, the dance-world legend Twyla Tharp, that doesnt feel like nearly enough. Its like your mother. We put a man in, the chemistry changes. -Thank you so much. -And he just goes, 'Is this it? BIANCULLI: Dancer and choreographer Twyla Tharp speaking to Terry Gross last April. I'm feeling a lot of pain and decided I needed to take, like, another month off. Mom and Dad were on very different wavelengths. The WNET Groups award-winning productions include signature PBS series Nature, Great Performances, American Masters, PBS NewsHour Weekend and Amanpour and Company and trusted local news programs MetroFocus and NJ Spotlight News with Briana Vannozzi. We're in all their living spaces, and I'm trying to make theater out of it. When I was in college, I thought about becoming a writer. Send any Yoga and walking are excellent. Oh, it's great. Twyla Moves, debuting on March 26 on PBS, scans Tharp's choreographic canon. Yeah. Im going to go out and start to practice. How quickly into quarantine did you start experimenting with virtual choreography? We're like in three totally different times zones. That means theyve got to hire me. I mean, there was the one with the dust storm, which was like 2 degrees outside in December. I thought actually you were one count late pulling him in. [ Up-tempo music playing ] - Harmony and understanding Sympathy and trust abounding No more falsehoods -Milos Forman saw 'Push' and asked if I would like to work on 'Hair.'. And then you got to learn how to swim. Can you do it now? And it could perform every night of every year for the rest of everybody's lives, but that was not what I wanted to do. features never-before seen interviews and select performances from Tharps vast array of more than 160 choreographed works, including 129 dances, 12 television specials, six major Hollywood movies, four full-length ballets, four Broadway shows and two figure skating routines. And she moved the family to Southern California. Youre a devoted archivist of your own history. The WNET Group represents the best in public media. So soon we were working again on a piece called 'The Fugue.'. Youve said that it was difficult at first to merge your modern-dance company with the ballet world. Traffic goes this way. -I worry that it looks as though we're trying for something which will be -Not accomplishable, which is what I wanted to talk to you about. He was new to the concept of whatever modern dance was. Huot and Tharp had one son, Jesse, who was born in 1971. Tharp graduated from Barnard College in 1963 with a degree in art history. She made her professional debut that year with the Paul Taylor dance company, billed as Twyla Young. And nobody can own those things, all right? Her second husband was Bob Huot, an artist. It is the community-supported home of New Yorks THIRTEEN Americas flagship PBS station WLIW21, THIRTEEN PBSKids, WLIW World and Create; NJ PBS, New Jerseys statewide public television network; Long Islands only NPR station WLIW-FM; ALL ARTS, the arts and culture media provider; and newsroom NJ Spotlight News. Yep. Period. My parents were farm people, and farm people in the era were workaholics. 19621964 Twyla Tharp/Husband What nationality is Twyla Tharp? I do not care for that at all. But she found that she wanted to make experimental work of her own, with choreography that combined the fluidity of modern dance with the discipline of ballet. Nobody likes to feel as though theyre falling behind. [ Indistinct conversation ] -Exactly. I know youre still in incredible shape. Now, one thing that's going to help us there is spatial accuracy. Would you like to get out of the lights? -She's gonna yank you in to -- That's it, right. I mean, Philip Glass and Jerome Robbins and Baryshnikov and Gregory Hines . She took on the mans world, and she did it very well and kind of across the boards. 'Baker's Dozen,' 12 dancers onstage and one in the oven. And I said, 'And I think I'll use The Beach Boys. Through Passport, station members can stream new and archival programming anytime, anywhere. - For tonight [ Computer chimes ] -Maria! Okay. [ Laughs ] -We were early dance in America, if you'll recall. I knew the difference between a thinker in music and somebody whos a tunesmith. [ Breathes deeply ] [ Computer dings] -Hello. Kaitlyn Gilliland first joined Twyla Tharp for her 50th Anniversary Tour after leaving the New York City Ballet in 2011. In Twyla Now, a program of works featuring ballet stars and a youthful ensemble at New York City Center, Tharp merges the past with the present. Im interested in having a dialogue, lets put it that way. And it was trying to get them somehow so they could work together. She is not dating anyone. Running is, unless you really know what youre doing, dangerous. The new PBS documentary "American Masters: Twyla Moves" looks at the long career of choreographer Twyla Tharp as she approaches her 80th birthday. -What are we doing?! A mentor cant guarantee you success, lets say that. -I agree with that. Alright. They were all moving on from somewhere they had been. Make more movement for yourself going through. It just is, like, there are so many small flaws. -Peter Martins and Twyla Tharp and Lynn Swann. MacDonald, the author, would say that Curdie bows first because Curdie is lower class. And its singular. She bows first because she's an independent girl! And then we have this black bottom number put in because it is called 'The Black Bottom Stomp.'. Once and for all, the notion of the grounded modern world can be joined into the lighter, speedier way of the ballet. Your elevation should always be a little more. WebAmerican dancer, choreographer, company director. Very good. [ Laughter ] -Are you the kid I was talking to over there? Who are you? [Laughs.] I enjoy seeing how they develop. And, also, the necessity to workyou dont put together a lifetime of information like this and walk away from it. Youre ready to get going because you might know something. I mean, I was doing commercial work on top of touring the company, and at the same time, as I'm doing, you know, this thing for John Curry. I mean, that's a lot of music. -[ Chuckles ] It's fun. -Hello. -I'd never had anyone push me like that before. And, ah, one, two, four, one. Six, seven. How important is mentorship to you now? -Well, it's the longest piece I've ever done and the hardest. [ Laughs ] -I mean, this is the queen of the underworld, but if queens can be kings, then kings can be queens. In addition, I was very aware that I could not be beholden to someones definition of who I wasthat I was going to have to be responsible for my own identity. It's an embarrassing thing to call anybody. Twyla Tharp: Born Date: 01 Jul, 1941: Age: 81 years: Horoscope: Cancer: Lucky Number: 5: Lucky Stone: Moonstone: Lucky Color: Silver: Best Match for Marriage: You are never going to have Cynthia Gregorys balance. I grew up working in a drive-in theater from the time I was 8 years old until I went to college. -I'm very grateful to Misha that he made the moves to alter his life completely so that I could have the opportunity to work with him. I want to talk a little bit about aging, because you wrote another book, in 2019, called Keep It Moving, about staying active in your later years and letting go of the past. Right on the heels of 'Deuce Coupe,' the Ballet Theater called and said, you know, would I make a piece for Baryshnikov? And now there was no time left to make dances or to work in the studio with dancers, to evolve. I could tell you a lot But you've got to be True to your code Just make it one for my baby And one more for the road -During the course of my career, I've used many different kinds of music. Its that, at that moment in time, it perhaps was not successful. The company disbanded, and I went on to do other work. Youve got to keep yourself from falling in love with every dancer you ever worked with. I didn't have any tangible foundation. People used to sneak out of Marthas classes to go take ballet. Why does Irene bow first? Thank you, Maria. And even in this stage of her career, in her life, she's setting the standard for where dance is evolving to. You say people have to be prepared to be creative. Youd have one performance of it. Okay, Misty, this was right on the beginning of your one. The seventy-nine-year-old choreographer discusses her dogged work ethic, not falling in love with Baryshnikov, and whats lost and gained by making art as you age. Now, Im also very fortunate, because there are times when I can channel Mike Nichols or Jerry Robbins. Sometimes I think my mom gave me lessons in everything that's possible in life except how to live life. Do you know my dead-weight record? -Oh, you're so cute. 'In The Upper Room' is one of those very rare pieces where you just bite the bullet and say, 'I'm going to say it all right here and put it all on the line.'. I like that. A pioneer of both modern dance and ballet, Tharp is famously prolific, hard-working, and constantly evolving. Ken just came in. [ Laughs ] -Uh, Maria is behind. Tvitni na twitteru. Art is the only way to run away without leaving home. I'd like to begin with -- Charlie is going to be standing in for Misty tomorrow. We can't fulfill what's being demanded of us. She began It didnt stop her from doing anything. This body has guts. This is our culture. I mean, thats one of the things that obviously is so moving about Matisse. I never lied to myself. Do you have a feeling about dance criticism and dance writing? I used no music in 'Tank Dive' and for every piece during the next five years. If I do the same phrase to sad, they'll all be sad. Youre not going to recognize youre there if you dont have any sense of where there is. I did not perceive that it would perhaps be as extreme as this. You don't have hair. The material on this site may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, cached or otherwise used, except with the prior written permission of Cond Nast. Theatrical dance is separated -- here's the audience, here's the event. -This movement -- it's not natural for me because I'm born in Russia, you know? Ready? And he nicely said, 'No, I think it'd be good to do something shorter first.'. Im finding it true, in this piece, that it takes a lot of nerve to be very simple. And he invited us to be included in that show. I think theres something there to go on. And I think that it becomes more difficult as one ages, to have that kind of grasp and faith that you actually can find a new beginning. When that picture was over, I had to reestablish who I was and what the company was. End of story. The career problem was as a choreographer. They feel a comradeship through work and through a desire to do it really, really well. This weekend, three duet dances from her archives will be performed on But she had the confidence and the vision to know it was going to work. Her work transcends traditional definitions of the medium, combining elements of ballet and modern dance. -No, no, this is -- this is very good because it feels so unedited. Somebody wants to learn something, the best way to do it is to start doing it, not to ask me how I do it, let alone, how should they do it? Support for American Masters is provided by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, AARP, Sue and Edgar Wachenheim III, Rosalind P. Walter Foundation, Cheryl and Philip Milstein Family, Judith and Burton Resnick, Seton J. Melvin, The Blanche and Irving Laurie Foundation, The Ambrose Monell Foundation, Lillian Goldman Programming Endowment, Vital Projects Fund, The Philip and Janice Levin Foundation, Ellen and James S. Marcus, The Andr and Elizabeth Kertsz Foundation, Koo and Patricia Yuen, Thea Petschek Iervolino Foundation, The Marc Haas Foundation and public television viewers. You might like to print that, I thought it was pretty good. We can work around the clock. Oh, I see it. That kind of commitment is rare. I mean, you know, what can I say? And, simultaneously, I would need to ask myself, You ready to go there? The next piece, 'Stride,' was done in what would now be called an alternative space, which was a rooftop in Brooklyn. -[ Speaking indistinctly ] -Why can I not understand him? So she herself had never accomplished as an artist what she wanted to. -Nice to meet you. At one point, I had one of the dancers do a phrase of movement in a sort of modern dancing kind of way, and the other one is doing it totally classically. It was called 'Tank Dive' because I always said, 'Okay. And Joffrey looked at it and said, 'Holy cow. How do you do? I wouldnt have eitherthe guy was probably a major pain. Plus: each Wednesday, exclusively for subscribers, the best books of the week. Do you ever miss that period? Not that he was known as a director. You dont make these statements easily. So she sets out striving to become a perfect human being, which is the case with many dancers much of the time. And which means that when I look at dances, I know they dont have context. Im very specific and clear about what the dance movement is. And so, do they become sexually attractive? It must've been over a fire escape or something to get in. I was going to have to do it on my own terms. Do you feel like you have a lot of responsibility, or energy, for post-pandemichelping dance come back to New York, whatever that means? Thats not the bones of what the thing is. You dont know how to pull from them a performance. I was asked to make a duet for a gala with Misha. Jerry [Robbins] called me. However, working with the dancer, I try always to have a sense of, who is this person and why are they dancing? -No, it's very interesting for me to explore things like this because I'm always like, you know, like this. All dancers know that there is only one way out, and that is forward. - Think you've had enough Stop talking, help us get ready Think you've had enough I could tell that she would drive the dancers pretty hard physically. A new PBS documentary, American Masters: Twyla Moves, documents the more-than-50-year and counting career of choreographer Twyla Tharp. Dance is extremely difficult to write about, to give any sense of, or to be accurate with. Im working on it. Peter Youngm. It's one thing for me to get dancers into unison. A Ninety-two-Year-Old Burlesque Dancers Swan Song. Can you throw it all away, take two weeks in the Caribbean or whatever and never think of dance? Steven Cantor is director. Actually, you wouldnt. I saw you light a lot of things on fire in the kitchen. One performance. And I of course expect to see perfect unison. This was kind of putting a stake in the ground and saying, 'Contemporary dance can be on Broadway.'. Twyla Moves premieres nationwide Friday, March 26, 9 p.m. on PBS (check local listings), pbs.org/twylatharp and the PBS Video app in honor of Womens History Month. In the classical ballet, traditionally, the woman is more passive, and I started doing equal pressure. No, no, no, noforget women. Tharp has lived and worked (compulsively, ceaselessly) in New York City since the early nineteen-sixties. 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